HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby lincoln » 04 Oct 2016, 12:06

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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby zycamaniac » 02 Jan 2017, 09:19

Just my two cents on digital signal, or SPDIF in particular...

In normal cases, where you spent virtually NOTHING on the digital cable (optical or coax), Coax will DEFINITELY sound better. This is due to the huge diameter of the Toslink fiber optics, where internal reflection with such large diameter of cable will cause some of the light pulse to arrive later, some earlier. instead of getting a sharp on/off, you get a slow brightening/dimming effect (to the detector), and this cause the receiver to trigger at unpredictible interval, and thus creating jitter.

Since clock is part of the SPDIF signal, jitter here will just screw everything up.

Coax on the other hand, does not have this problem, at least not as bad.

However, if you plan on spending on a cable that costs much much more than Raspberry Pi (that's what I'm using now), you can get optical cable the works better than most coax cable, plus you also get optical isolation thrown in for free.

My own experiment is that multi-fibered optical works much better, likely due to smaller diameter of each fiber limiting the path that the light can travel, and thus reducing the effect of some signal arriving earlier/later. (I don't think you can eliminate that unless you go single mode, but I don't think we are going to see specialized single mode fiber here anytime soon.)

The more fiber it have in the same 1mm diameter, the better the performance, but the law of diminishing return works here, you will be paying a lot of money for the last bit of improvement. To some, it is utterly stupid, since it is not their setup's weak link, and often a cheap coax will work just fine for them. To others, who might already be spending a pile of money on their system, it could be the cheapest upgrade in their system, which would work out well for them.


BTW, just setup my Raspberry Pi 2 + Digi+ compatible digital output a few days ago... and damn it sounds great... I'll check back and see which sounds best, I currently have 3 ways to connect to my DAC:
Optical
Coax/BNC
USB (This one can do DSD!! yes!)

It should be fun trying them all out. To anyone who want to test different interfaces, quickly listening to a short piece and switch quickly to another usually don't work for me. I usually listen for a while on one, then switch to another for a while, this is where I can pick up the differences.
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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby Beelzebassie » 03 Jan 2017, 14:12

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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby zycamaniac » 04 Jan 2017, 09:59

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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby Beelzebassie » 05 Jan 2017, 11:54

Raspberry Pi 3B (rev. 1.2) | Allo DigiOne
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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby Discovery » 05 Jan 2017, 14:59

As the original poster, I would suggest the answer only relates to what I hear with my ears. Jitter does play a part; perhaps maths does too, depending on your point of view. However the ONLY thing that matters to me is the perceived sound quality.

I'm happy to entertain any visitors to allow them to use their own ears to decide... :-)
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Re: HiFiBerry Digi+ Works Best on RCA...!

Postby Corvanzundert » 16 Jan 2017, 17:59

Dear all,

I just switched from an ASUS EEE PC with USB > M2TECH > TENTLABS b-DAC
to a Raspberry Pi2 with a digi+ PRO board, connected to the TENTLABS b-DAC.

Just like you I noticed more bass and also mid response but .. also much less details in the higher frequencies.
My first impression is that I am missing a lot of details.

My first step for improvement was to use an accupack instead of the Raspberry powersupply and that .. sounds better
but still I am missing lots of details.

Playing a Raspberry with a Collibya DAC or an Audiophonics DAC and connect it directly to my monoblocks sounds A LOT BETTER.

Has anyone an idea how this difference can occur ??

I expected the connection through RCA and using the Digi+ PRO board would sound exactly the same ..

Cor van Zundert,
The Netherlands.
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